Sho-bud change codependent

[Anthony Del Grosso]

First I apologize for multiple posts about this steel I just bought. I'm trying to change the codependent to the Emmons setup. It should be pretty simple (I thought) but my E lower have given me trouble. The 8th string 8 E lower was very easy. The 4th string E change has been tough. When you hit the string, it goes slightly up to F and settles back down to D#. I do no know why it rises at first and then returns to normal. The E lower was on the RKL before and didn't do that raise, then lower. Also, when I hit the LKL, I noticed that the E raise device increased slightly. Maybe that's why its happening? Sorry if I did a bad job of describing this. Been losing my mind on this saturday trying to figure this out lol.

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[Ian Worley]

It's not super clear specifically what the issue is from your description, but it appears from the pics that your string 4 and string 8 E lowers are over-tuned. This can cause a number of secondary issues so good to get it corrected first. There is a sticky in this subforum that explains the problem and its resolution pretty well

[mike nolan]

I would probably need to see a few more pictures. Also exactly which changer do you have? I suspect it’s a single raised single lower or maybe a double raised single lower. Most often this issue is a result of spring attention on the return springs that are the ones closest to the body of the guitar. You may need to stretch it out just a little bit. Quick way to figure that out is to just remove the spring and see if your lower works. Then it’s a bit of trial and error. Hit me up with a PM and we can talk about it for a minute if you want.

[Dave Grafe]

Sounds like the lower finger os moving with the raise, the return spring needs to be tighter,

[Ian Worley]

It's a very early Professional, changer is 1/1. Look at OP's first pic, strings 4 & 8 lowers are clearly way overtuned, string 2 also to a lesser degree. The overtuning effectively tightens the return springs, creating a secondary fulcrum at the lower tuning nut, and leaving the raise unstable. Until that is corrected the issue can't really be properly diagnosed.

The nylon tuners on those strings need to be backed out until there is some slack, and the lowering scissor arms are resting firmly against their stop tabs in the end plate window. Re-tune the open strings to the correct pitch, then adjust (tighten) lever stop screw so that the lever is not over-pulling the change. This most likely will fix the problem.

[scott murray]

let's give Tom Bradshaw his due:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copedent

Copedent is a term used to describe the tuning and pedal arrangement on a pedal steel guitar and is unique to that instrument. Typically expressed in the form of a table or chart, the word is a portmanteau of "chord–pedal–arrangement" and is pronounced "co-PEE-dent". It was coined in 1969 by Steel Guitar Hall of Fame member Tom Bradshaw and first reached a wide audience in a 1972 article in Guitar Player magazine.

portmanteau... I learned a new word today too

[Ian Worley]

Ha! Didn't notice the spelling in the thread title.That's actually a good description of the forum membership, all enabling one another's steel addictions