Lollar String thru—>mojo Gold foil out of phase help
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Mark Evans
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Lollar String thru—>mojo Gold foil out of phase help
On an Asher Electro Hawaiian lap steel, I’m running a Lollar ‘Valco’ string thru (bridge) and a Mojo (U.K.) Gold Foil (neck). Came this way, purchased used. Each PU sounds awesome, but the mid position sounds thin. Lollar inquiry suggests string-thru is out of phase (they asked if there was a push/pull pot to correct phase). There is not.
Has anyone encountered this… solution? I haven’t done much soldering/rewiring in years, but could consider getting myself in trouble har har. Is this a tricky tweak?
Has anyone encountered this… solution? I haven’t done much soldering/rewiring in years, but could consider getting myself in trouble har har. Is this a tricky tweak?
Larry Pogreba Baritone 'Weissenheimer
Late 30’s Oahu Tonemaster
LSLME Chatsworth (Lap Steel Legacy Mark Evans)
Early 40’s Mysterious Employee built National ‘New Yorker’
2017 Richard Wilson Style 1 Weissenborn
Late 30’s Oahu Tonemaster
LSLME Chatsworth (Lap Steel Legacy Mark Evans)
Early 40’s Mysterious Employee built National ‘New Yorker’
2017 Richard Wilson Style 1 Weissenborn
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Re: Lollar String thru—>mojo Gold foil out of phase help
https://www.lollarguitars.com/blog/2009 ... available/
"This pickup has two coils—one under the bottom three strings and one under the top three. The coils are wound so they dramatically reduce 60 cycle hum (humbucking) however the pickup still sounds like a single coil. In order for the pickup to work correctly and get good volume balance between the strings the coils are out of phase with each other—if we arranged the magnets so the coils were in phase with each other the pickup would give you bad string volume balance- some strings would be much louder than others so it’s the nature of the design that it works best with the coils out of phase with each other but because each coil senses different strings their phase doesn’t matter. HOWEVER this DOES present a problem if you install this pickup into a guitar with more than one pickup. If you combine this pickup (typically installed in the bridge position) with a neck pickup or any other pickup in any position and you use both at once in combination half of the strings will be in phase and half will be out of phase. This is only a problem if you run two pickups at once."
This issue will be particularly obvious if the other pickup is a single coil and your gold foil is probably that.
IMHO live with it, just use one or the other
"This pickup has two coils—one under the bottom three strings and one under the top three. The coils are wound so they dramatically reduce 60 cycle hum (humbucking) however the pickup still sounds like a single coil. In order for the pickup to work correctly and get good volume balance between the strings the coils are out of phase with each other—if we arranged the magnets so the coils were in phase with each other the pickup would give you bad string volume balance- some strings would be much louder than others so it’s the nature of the design that it works best with the coils out of phase with each other but because each coil senses different strings their phase doesn’t matter. HOWEVER this DOES present a problem if you install this pickup into a guitar with more than one pickup. If you combine this pickup (typically installed in the bridge position) with a neck pickup or any other pickup in any position and you use both at once in combination half of the strings will be in phase and half will be out of phase. This is only a problem if you run two pickups at once."
This issue will be particularly obvious if the other pickup is a single coil and your gold foil is probably that.
IMHO live with it, just use one or the other
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Mark Evans
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Re: Lollar String thru—>mojo Gold foil out of phase help
I appreciate this explanation… and it makes sense.
I’m very pleased with the tone of each PU so I might just fly with one or the other. Lollar does provide wiring for a push/pull pot for adjusting the phase. I may address that at some point.
I’m very pleased with the tone of each PU so I might just fly with one or the other. Lollar does provide wiring for a push/pull pot for adjusting the phase. I may address that at some point.
Jeff Highland wrote: 27 Feb 2025 8:38 pm https://www.lollarguitars.com/blog/2009 ... available/
"This pickup has two coils—one under the bottom three strings and one under the top three. The coils are wound so they dramatically reduce 60 cycle hum (humbucking) however the pickup still sounds like a single coil. In order for the pickup to work correctly and get good volume balance between the strings the coils are out of phase with each other—if we arranged the magnets so the coils were in phase with each other the pickup would give you bad string volume balance- some strings would be much louder than others so it’s the nature of the design that it works best with the coils out of phase with each other but because each coil senses different strings their phase doesn’t matter. HOWEVER this DOES present a problem if you install this pickup into a guitar with more than one pickup. If you combine this pickup (typically installed in the bridge position) with a neck pickup or any other pickup in any position and you use both at once in combination half of the strings will be in phase and half will be out of phase. This is only a problem if you run two pickups at once."
This issue will be particularly obvious if the other pickup is a single coil and your gold foil is probably that.
IMHO live with it, just use one or the other
Larry Pogreba Baritone 'Weissenheimer
Late 30’s Oahu Tonemaster
LSLME Chatsworth (Lap Steel Legacy Mark Evans)
Early 40’s Mysterious Employee built National ‘New Yorker’
2017 Richard Wilson Style 1 Weissenborn
Late 30’s Oahu Tonemaster
LSLME Chatsworth (Lap Steel Legacy Mark Evans)
Early 40’s Mysterious Employee built National ‘New Yorker’
2017 Richard Wilson Style 1 Weissenborn