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Constructive Criticism, Please

Post by Bob Snelgrove »

Guys,

I'm learning Sonar 7 and am trying to play and record along with midi (BIAB) files.

This is my Carter into a Genesis 3 into a baby behringer mx 602a mixer into the sound card.

Here is my attempt at Look At Us.

Looking for comments on mix, steel tone, etc.

thanks and be nice :)

http://home.comcast.net/~steelgtr/goodlook.mp3

4 meg file


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Post by Delvin Morgan »

Bob, I would like to listen to your song, but the link won't work :x
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Delvin Morgan wrote:Bob, I would like to listen to your song, but the link won't work :x
Delvin

Can you try right clicking and "save target as"

thx

bob
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Post by Tony Prior »

sounds great Bob, I really enjoyed this !

The Steel sounds great I would just bring the track up a tad...

great playing, great song, John would be proud of you.

tp
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Post by Doug Beaumier »

Nice job, Bob. In my opinion, the kick drum is too loud... or the other BIAB instruments are too low. I hear very little bass. I would crank the bass and cut back on the drums. You're on the right track (no pun). ;-)
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Tony Prior wrote:sounds great Bob, I really enjoyed this !

The Steel sounds great I would just bring the track up a tad...

great playing, great song, John would be proud of you.

tp
Thanks, Tony

That means a lot. I'm a big fan of yours :)

Hope to see you guys in st louie next year!


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Post by Bob Snelgrove »

Guys

I tried remixing and adding electric guitar.

Thoughts?

thx

bob
http://home.comcast.net/~steelgtr/lookwithguitar.mp3
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Bob Snelgrove wrote:Guys

I tried remixing and adding electric guitar.

Thoughts?

thx

bob
http://home.comcast.net/~steelgtr/lookwithguitar.mp3
Bob. Try only using the drum track. Go back a take a REAL electric bass and put that on. The bass track that is on there now is playing virtually all tonics. A little I and V in the bass and just a bit more movement will work better with the long linear melody of the song. I don't like the electric guitar. It fights the steel in the same sonic area and is not adding anything rhythm wise. I would suggest your standard acoustic guitar hard panned left and a high string guitar on the right just playing your official Nashville 1/8th note rhythm strum. That will give you all the rhythm bed you need. Bring up the level of the steel and add a nice vintage EMT plate verb if you have a plug in that gives you a plate verb.

Your steel has a good sound. It should be up more in the mix and supported better. I think you could really make this a better sounding track. It has a lot of potential.

When you start to record your own tracks, it really makes you appreciate a well done pro sounding track and all the hard work that goes into it.
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Post by Bob Snelgrove »

Thanks, Bill

The electric didn't "feel" right when I tried to add it.

Thanks for the panning tips, too.

I don't have a real Bass guitar and couldn't find a decent sounding one in the Sonar Soft Synth.

That midi Bass track really does suck!

You're right. It's not that easy, especially when you have no idea waht you are doing LOL


thx

bob

Bill Hatcher wrote:
Bob Snelgrove wrote:Guys

I tried remixing and adding electric guitar.

Thoughts?

thx

bob
http://home.comcast.net/~steelgtr/lookwithguitar.mp3
Bob. Try only using the drum track. Go back a take a REAL electric bass and put that on. The bass track that is on there now is playing virtually all tonics. A little I and V in the bass and just a bit more movement will work better with the long linear melody of the song. I don't like the electric guitar. It fights the steel in the same sonic area and is not adding anything rhythm wise. I would suggest your standard acoustic guitar hard panned left and a high string guitar on the right just playing your official Nashville 1/8th note rhythm strum. That will give you all the rhythm bed you need. Bring up the level of the steel and add a nice vintage EMT plate verb if you have a plug in that gives you a plate verb.

Your steel has a good sound. It should be up more in the mix and supported better. I think you could really make this a better sounding track. It has a lot of potential.

When you start to record your own tracks, it really makes you appreciate a well done pro sounding track and all the hard work that goes into it.
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Post by Bob Snelgrove »

Bill,

What is a "high string" guitar?

thx

bob





Bob Snelgrove wrote:Thanks, Bill

The electric didn't "feel" right when I tried to add it.

Thanks for the panning tips, too.

I don't have a real Bass guitar and couldn't find a decent sounding one in the Sonar Soft Synth.

That midi Bass track really does suck!

You're right. It's not that easy, especially when you have no idea waht you are doing LOL


thx

bob

Bill Hatcher wrote:
Bob Snelgrove wrote:Guys

I tried remixing and adding electric guitar.

Thoughts?

thx

bob
http://home.comcast.net/~steelgtr/lookwithguitar.mp3
Bob. Try only using the drum track. Go back a take a REAL electric bass and put that on. The bass track that is on there now is playing virtually all tonics. A little I and V in the bass and just a bit more movement will work better with the long linear melody of the song. I don't like the electric guitar. It fights the steel in the same sonic area and is not adding anything rhythm wise. I would suggest your standard acoustic guitar hard panned left and a high string guitar on the right just playing your official Nashville 1/8th note rhythm strum. That will give you all the rhythm bed you need. Bring up the level of the steel and add a nice vintage EMT plate verb if you have a plug in that gives you a plate verb.

Your steel has a good sound. It should be up more in the mix and supported better. I think you could really make this a better sounding track. It has a lot of potential.

When you start to record your own tracks, it really makes you appreciate a well done pro sounding track and all the hard work that goes into it.
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Hi Bob, I took the liberty of downloading your tune and had go at doing a remix , bearing in mind that I only had your mix and not the backing track and the steel track . I think that you only need to get the mix right for it to sound good as your playing is very good. Maybe if you drop the steel deeper into the mix it would sound more balanced.. anyway let me know what you think... you can download it from my site. If you got a pair of headphones to listen to it .
http://elperro1.multiply.com/music/item/21/New_Music_11
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Post by Bob Snelgrove »

Thanks, John

I registered at the site but can't figure out how to play it!


thx

bob

John Roche wrote:Hi Bob, I took the liberty of downloading your tune and had go at doing a remix , bearing in mind that I only had your mix and not the backing track and the steel track . I think that you only need to get the mix right for it to sound good as your playing is very good. Maybe if you drop the steel deeper into the mix it would sound more balanced.. anyway let me know what you think... you can download it from my site. If you got a pair of headphones to listen to it .
http://elperro1.multiply.com/music/item/21/New_Music_11
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Bob , I had to allow you to visit my site, You can try again...John
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Post by Jim Cohen »

Bob, my only suggestion is that with these long, pretty lines, I'd like to hear more reverb around the steel. Personal preference. Nice playing!
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Jim Cohen wrote:Bob, my only suggestion is that with these long, pretty lines, I'd like to hear more reverb around the steel. Personal preference. Nice playing!

Thanks, Jim

Playing direct through small computer speakers is challenging, tone and playing wise!

I need to get some better monitors and maybe even a small amp instead of going direct!


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Post by Jim Cohen »

Bob, you can go direct and still add reverb in the mixing stage.
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Jim Cohen wrote:Bob, you can go direct and still add reverb in the mixing stage.

Right,

I am going into a Genesis 3 and see I only have delay in the patch. I think I added a little verb in Sonar but will try a little more. I try to not use too much if I am going to err!


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Bob can you PM your email to me and I'll send it to you..
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Bob you have mail..
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Post by John Roche »

Bob,Just in case you don't get it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtQObqLXPBA&fmt=18
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John Roche wrote:Bob,Just in case you don't get it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtQObqLXPBA&fmt=18
Thanks, John!

Appreciate your effort and the remix :)


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Bob , no problem, did you get my email?
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John Roche wrote:Bob , no problem, did you get my email?
Yes!

thanks :)


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Bob. Real good sound on your steel as well as your playing! Itsounds good to me.
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Bob Graff wrote:Bob. Real good sound on your steel as well as your playing! Itsounds good to me.

Thanks, Bob

Lots of fumbles but I'm used to playing backup in a band so this is new to me. Thanks for the vote of confidence!


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